Baby Hoang Vinh Le has been missing for 15 months – amid a bitter custody dispute.
His heartbroken grandmother Kim and the police are desperate to find the toddler – who would be two years old now – but his parents Thanh and Lyn aren’t helping.
“Do you think he’s alive? Is he alive? Because you know a lot of people are worried about Vinh,” I asked after questioning if the family was hiding Vinh from authorities.
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“Yes, I believe he is alive and he is safe,” his father, Thanh, said.
Kim was awarded custody of her grandson last year, but his parents never handed him over.
Instead they told authorities they gave him to a woman named Kathy Nguyen and paid her $200 to take care of him for a night.
But the police could not find anyone by that name, and the story now seems to have changed.
“Did you actually give him away at a shop for $200, is that true?” I asked.
“No that’s not true,” Thanh said.
I questioned why Thanh told authorities he had given his child away, but he said he didn’t, claiming someone else had.
“Does it make you upset that you don’t know where he is?” I asked.
“Yep, but I know he’s safe,” Lyn said. “How do you know?” I asked.
“I’m aware he’s safe… the person,” she said. “Right… who’s he with?” I asked.
“Kathy still,” she said.
“But didn’t you say you didn’t give him to Kathy?” I asked.
“Thanh wasn’t there at the time,” she said.
“Is Kathy a real person? Is she real?” I asked. “Yes,” she said.
Lyn, who has just served six months in jail for withholding information on her son’s whereabouts, answered most questions in court with, “can’t remember” or “not sure”.
“I’ve formed an impression that you haven’t tried very hard to answer the questions that you’ve been asked today,” Justice Shane Gill said.
“You keep saying you don’t remember.”
Before Lyn gave evidence, Thanh was ordered to move seats, so he wasn’t in her direct line of sight.
Thanh told the court his friends might not help authorities find Vinh because they know he will be handed back to grandmother Kim.
He said there is an ongoing custody dispute between the Le and Do families.
“You need to understand right now we’re in the process of fighting for the custody of the child.”
“Do you know where he is though?” I asked.
“That’s something I’ll disclose out in court,” he said.
When asked about handing Vinh over to a woman named Kathy, Thanh said: “I wasn’t there at the café or wherever she dropped the kid off.
“Previously he said he was there, and he even described Kathy to the authorities.
When questioned about that he said: “I don’t recall that, but if I did, can I get a copy of it?”
The judge cut Thanh’s evidence short before ordering the Department of Public Prosecutions to investigate whether the father committed perjury on the stand.
It was evident in court that this case has become extremely frustrating for the authorities.
Police have investigated a number of leads now in their hunt to find Vinh but have had no success.
All the while it’s become quite clear that his parents, the people who are supposed to care about him the most, know more than they’re letting on.
If you have any information on the whereabouts of Vinh, contact Crimestoppers.